Monday, February 12, 2007

Loop-de-loop. All it does is confuse me.

Anyone reading the pro-class loop right now? I get it on digest, so there's a lot I miss (and skim through). In case you're missing it, the topic is persistence...basically how persistence pays off in this business. One published author, Jennifer Greene (writes as Alison Hart), and one unpublished author, Ruth Kaufman, are giving lessons and answering questions.

I don't usually comment on these things, but I read whatever piques my curiosity. This one got me:

On the topic of money, Jennifer Greene said:

[Aside from a computer] ...the only other expense I consider absolutely essential is the national conference.

Someone then asked her why the National Conference, and she said:

I think the national tends to be worth every $--although more so both when you're very close to publishing and in the first years after being published.

Well, it's no surprise I'm waffling on the whole national conference thing again this year. First of all, it's in Dallas. Been there, done that. I rarely leave the hotel during the conference, but still, it's Dallas. In July. Late July. Last year in Hotlanta we miraculously missed the heat. I have a feeling Dallas won't be the same. But aside from that, I've done two national conferences. They were good, I networked, I had fun at both, but was it worth all the money I'm forking out? If I was pushing a book, maybe? But unpublished? I'm not so sure. A lot of the workshops were the same from year to year, and though I learned a lot from both experiences, I think, honestly, I learned considerably less the second time. I'm just not sure it's worth the money for air, hotel and registration when I'm not bringing in any money with the sale of a book yet. After Atlanta, I said I wasn't going again until I sold. And I was sticking to that until reading this loop.

So I posed the question again...why, specifically for "almost there" authors? And Ms. Greene responded with:

At the cost of the RWA national conference, I can well understand it could be too expensive for many to attend. (And just getting published hardly means you're making big bucks either.) But...one of the reasons this business is so hard is that we work with people we can't see or form any kind of direction relationship. From editors to agents to publishing professionals, getting a chance to see how these people look, how they talk, if you could imagine working with them, who you think you could click with--etc--are critical things you can do to help yourself. A new writer has little chance to get a lot of one-on-one time at the national conference--I realize--but almost all the publishing professionals who attend are participating in workshops and events, so you can at least hear and see them. I can't prove this (!) but I believe you'll find that 80% of the 'bad agent' stories come from writers who've never met the agent before signing with them. Likewise, many, many of the 'horror editor' stories could probably have been prevented (or made better) if we just could deal with these people face to face. Also, editors--and agents--you hear at conferences come back to haunt you. (So to speak.) The good editors stick around--they may change jobs (five zillion times) but they'll tend to stay in the business. So every contact you make, if you have a goal of being a long term author, really can pay off.

Hmm...Makes sense, but I'm still waffling (call me Alice). The hubby and I talked about it this weekend. He's supportive of whatever I want to do - go if I think it's worth it career-wise, don't if I think it's not. Luckily, we should be getting a pretty nice tax return, so I could set money aside for the trip. Problem is, I have no clue whether it's really worth it or not. Last year I went for two reasons. 1) I won the conference registration in a contest, and 2) I had this strange feeling I was supposed to be there for some reason. I went, I had a great time, I networked my butt off. But 6+ months later, I'm still not sure what that reason was. Nothing significant - that I can see - happened as a result of my being at that conference. Good things have happened for me career-wise since, but I don't think they were directly impacted by my being in Atlanta for the national conference. This year - so far - I don't have that strange feeling pushing me to go. Only this waffling, well, I'm not sure it's worth it debate going on in my head.

Luckily, I have time to decide, but I'm curious. I know some of you like smaller conferences, some of you like the National one. Some of you have been to both or want to go to one or the other. What inspires you to go to a conference? What do you expect to get out of it? And if you're unpublished, how do you justify the expense? And finally, someone please, just tell me what to do!

16 comments:

Karen Duvall said...

Eli, Nationals doesn't pique my interest, but I do think that attending writers conferences is a valuable experience in more than one way.

To me, Nationals is just too big and chaotic. I don't see the value unless you're promoting a book or trying to learn about the craft. But attending a smaller conference, IMO, gives you the chance to make networking count, especially if you can get yourself on the conference committee.

I've attended Rocky Mountain Fiction Writers Colorado Gold conference every year for the past 13 years, and I don't plan to miss one in the future. I'm on the conference committee, which gives me an inside track on the attending agents and editors, and gets my name out among attendees as well as presenters. It's been really valuable for me and I've made a lot of good contacts. I could never see this happening with Nationals.

I suppose if you really wanted to meet your favorite romance author, it's a good way to do it. But can you make a meaningful hook-up with an agent or editor there? Possibly, but there's less chance of that happening at such a huge event. I enjoy the intimate get-togethers with agents and editors in our hotel rooms, hanging out at the pre-conference party, meeting them for breakfast in the hotel restaurant... Small conferences allow greater opportunity for schmoozing. But schmoozing, I realize, can happen anywhere.

Eli, if your agent's going to be there, I'd definitely attend if I were you. Wouldn't you love to meet her face to face?

Karen

Paty Jager said...

On one hand, I want to go, only because I could sit in that big room with other published authors and hope I sell a book! LOL

And I would like an editor or agent to see me sitting there with a book, but at this point, I can't justify the expense.

When I was at Nationals in Reno, I just felt like a small fish swimming to keep afloat. Other than the one on one interview with an agent- I never really came face to face with an editor or agent. Where at Emerald City, I ran into them all the time.

I am aiming for the San Francisco Nationals. Not sure why other than I think that's the one I want to do.

But I'm also going to put my name in the raffle for the conference fee being given away by my Hearts Through History online chapter. Who knows, if I win, I guess I go to Dallas.

I wish I could help you make up your mind, Eli, but I'm just as wishy-washy as you!

Although Karen makes a good point about seeing your agent. And who knows who she might introduce you to. An editor who has been on the fence about your book and after meeting you sees your drive???

Alice Sharpe said...

Eli says: "And finally, someone please, just tell me what to do!"

Here it comes: Go to the conference and room with Alice.

Easy, silly girl.

No, I understand the waffling, believe me, as I am Queen Waffle/Flip Flop. I swore off Dallas, too, but as time approaches I find myself thinking about it.

Not for the workshops, you are perfectly right about the workshops. Repetitive, but I have found over the eons that if you go with a specific goal in mind, everything takes a new twist. One year I went with the idea that I would meet as many new people as I could. This is a very solitary career we've chosen, and friends are the only coworkers we have. Since email came around, we have our own water cooler now, but it's still you alone at the keyboard. Faces, voices, information = community in the broader sense and the nugget you may bring away from meeting them may be so small you won't ever recognize it's there. I'm not saying this well. Say you meet someone by chance at lunch and have one of those epiphany moments where you realize you're soul mates of sorts (yes, this happened to me.) You have a lovely time getting to know one another and over the course of your new friendship, she says something about her own writing life that you can't identify with but you remember. By the time it fits your own life, you've owned it so long you don't know for sure where it came from, but knowing it helps you deal with a loss of some kind. A block, for instance. something you've never had before, but when it comes, those words she uttered X many years ago float to your consciousness and comfort you, give you direction and if you can recall where you heard them, you have a source.

I'm saying this all wrong, hopefully you can follow.

Then there are the craft abilities. One year I decided to attend every workshop on writing alpha males even though I'm not that crazy about them. This includes all the CIA workshops, the law enforcement (those I loved), the writing a better love scene stuff--anything that directs itself toward a strong male.

And one year I attended every workshop that was about life. It was in NY city, so it encompassed Broadway history, etc. Or there was the year I tried to attend every workshop that had nothing to do with what I write. Historical, sword play, etc.

Theme conference attending!

But mostly the national conference gives you exposure to other writers in small ways. The chance meetings at meals, on gatherings of chairs, in cars from the airports that lead to seemingly silly karaoke bar experiences that enrich the fabric of life, etc. And every year you attend, the number of people you know grows and you community ripens. For me, I have gathered three or four close friends and a lot of people I see and enjoy year after year. Getting to know the people in this local loop had been like a rich sauce poured over an already delicious meal--a real treat.

But the main reason I think you should consider attending is meeting your new agent. Jennifer Greene is right--putting a personality with a voice and face makes good sense. Seeing other agents helps you prepare for the event that you need to move on some day for one reason or another. You are building a long time career and investing in it makes sense to me.

But no one canreally " tell" you what to do and next year it's in SF which cuts down airfare, etc. so I understand the ratio of money to what you can expect to gain.

Flip-flop...

Alice

who is back

Paty Jager said...

Great to see you, Alice!

How was the trip? Did you gather lots of good research?

chanceofbooks said...

Months ago I swore that I would only go to national's in Dallas if I finaled in the Golden Heart. $$ are really tight, so that's the only way I can really justify it. BUT, now I'm not even sure about that rule. DH said last night that he HATES the idea of my traveling at 7+ months pregnant (anyone have experience with this)? Of course, I probably won't final and it will all be moot.

I DO want to go to SF, because I did get a lot out of Reno--it was overwhelming and crazy and also truly amazing. Missing Atlanta felt right because I just wasn't in a good place mentally to handle it. If I don't go nationals, I'm probably going to go to PNWA in Seattle--make DH come with me since he's so skitterish about July/August travel. After the fact, I felt bad for missing Emerald City. I think I'd like to aim for that one in the future.

For me the main barrier is $$--I work less and don't practice law to focus on my writing (or lately on my napping skills :) :) :)), but the trade off for more time is less $$ to put towards the writing.

I like Alice's idea of "Theming" your own version of Nationals. When I went to Reno, I focused on synopsis and query letter workshops. If I go to Dallas, I plan to focus on free books. Seriously. I learned from Reno that going to every single workshop session makes me really burnt out--I needed to make downtime more of a priority.

Karen Duvall said...

Oh, Alice, what a great idea! Theming your conference experience. Lol! Brilliant.

When I attend the Colorado Gold, I rarely sit through any sessions unless it's an agent or editor panel. I'll support a friend who's presenting, though. I spend most of my time socializing. 8^) It's catching up time for me and I have a lot of writer "soul-mates" in Rocky Mountain Fiction Writers. They're like my extended family.

Karen

Alice Sharpe said...

Paty--We had a good vacation. Didn't get all the way to Mexico--got tired of driving so stopped in Santa Barbara instead. Lovely state beach north of there with palm trees.

I did research in southern California for a book and got a long way on plotting it until I realized the plot line followed my current WIP too much. No that's not right, not the plot line, just some of the "extras." I would still like to write that book, but not right after this book. So I got nothing until an idea for three books popped into my head and so I tapped away at the laptop every straight stretch of road I got. We'll see if it works out.

Meanwhile, it's good to be home and back to the blog which I missed!!!!

And Karen, did I miss some good news of yours? I don't seem to get all the loop mail but it seems congrats are in order for you. Why? Fess up!

Alice

Karen Duvall said...

Alice, the only news you missed was about this super review I got for Desert Guardian from TwoLipsReviews.com. I still get goosebumps! 8^) If you'd like to read it, here's the link:

http://twolipsreviews.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=882&Itemid=36

Elisabeth Naughton said...

That's great you're so involved in the Rocky Mt. Conference, Karen. I bet the connections you make being on the board are fantastic.

Elisabeth Naughton said...

I felt that way in Reno, too, Paty. Atlanta was a lot better. I think mostly because I knew what to expect. And I went with the goal to network, which I did, so i was more relaxed from the start.

Elisabeth Naughton said...

ROFL, Alice. Okay. You convinced me!

(waffle, waffle, waffle...)

You make great points, esp. the one about not realizing the impact of the conference and connections until years later (and yes, I followed that just fine). I think you might be on to something there.

I love your theme conference idea. What a hoot. I bet you got a lot out of it that way.

And you're right, I "DO" want to meet my agent face to face, so if she's going, that's a big reason for me to go as well.

Elisabeth Naughton said...

Wavy, when are the finalists for the GH announced? Sometime in March, right? See, I have no clue. LOL

I'm pulling for you.

I can understand your hesitation about traveling at 7.5 mo. pg. Lots of women do it though, so if you're having a low-risk pregnancy, don't let that stop you. That said, sitting through workshops might not be so comfortable at 7.5 mo. along. ;)

Genene Valleau, writing as Genie Gabriel said...

Eli,

My advice is to follow your gut instinct. (Waffle, waffle!) Sorry I'm no help. I knew I should go to Reno and it was good, though I missed my doggies terribly. Atlanta and Dallas wasn't/isn't for me. I do plan to go to San Francisco and will prepare my doggies and me before I go!

I had already decided that before I sold. Having a book out the May before and the holiday season after National Conference 2008 is great timing. Being closer to home is also great for me.

I also love the smaller conferences, but I really make my decisions based on what my gut says. (Of course, I have no one but myself and my pocketbook to consider.)

Love Alice's "theme conference attending," though I usually absorb everything I can if the topic appeals to me.

So good luck with your decision, Eli! But you are going to San Francisco in 2008, right?

MJFredrick said...

Business wise, last year's conference was a bust for me. Even though it's in Dallas this year (4 hours down the road) I won't attend unless I sell or final.

Maybe you could meet your agent at a smaller, less expensive conference? Get more one on one time with her there?

Elisabeth Naughton said...

Yes, Genene, I'm definitely planning on San Fran. I love that city, and it's close, so it should be cheaper travel. I also have a book set there, so it'll be good for research purposes. May rent a car and just zip around one day by myself. ;)

Elisabeth Naughton said...

Mary, I hear you on that. Same way I feel. I'm crossing fingers for you and waiting for news on your "activity".